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Sep 8, 2021, 9:44 pm
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AAs employee vaccination policy
American Airlines has announced it will end company-provided COVID-19 sick leave for unvaccinated employees beginning Oct. 1. In a memo to employees, the carrier said its pandemic leave will only be offered to team members who are fully vaccinated and who provide their vaccination card.
The policy represents a shift for the airline on the question of mandating employee vaccination. While still not requiring workers to have the shots, the move signals a more direct incentive to encourage as many of our team members as possible to get vaccinated, and to submit their vaccine card by Oct. 1.
American Airlines Ends Special Sick Leave for Unvaccinated Workers
https://www.businesstravelerusa.com/...nated-workers/
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Sep 9, 2021, 6:18 am
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GOOD.
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Sep 9, 2021, 6:34 am
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Then companies like AA should end sick leave for overweight people or smokers because they also will drive up health costs.
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Sep 9, 2021, 6:55 am
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Originally Posted by MiamiAirport Formerly NY George
Then companies like AA should end sick leave for overweight people or smokers because they also will drive up health costs.
1. I didn't see anywhere in the linked article that AA was tying their decision to health care costs.
2. For companies like Delta, which the article mentioned is in fact linking vaccination status to health care costs, obviously there are huge differences between the impact smokers and overweight people have on costs, due to among other things the lack of transmission of smokers' and overweight workers' health issues to others in the company.
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Sep 9, 2021, 7:32 am
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Originally Posted by MiamiAirport Formerly NY George
Then companies like AA should end sick leave for overweight people or smokers because they also will drive up health costs.
FYI, there are some companies that DO charge smokers and overweight people more in healthcare premiums.
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Sep 9, 2021, 7:49 am
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So will this encourage unvaccinated AA employees to come to work despite being sick because they no longer have sick leave for COVID?
While the vaccinated employees who are supposedly less likely to get COVID still have COVID sick leave?
Seems kind of bass ackwards.
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Sep 9, 2021, 8:31 am
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Originally Posted by MiamiAirport Formerly NY George
Then companies like AA should end sick leave for overweight people or smokers because they also will drive up health costs.
Try again. Covid is preventable whereas smoking and overeating can be addictive conditions. They also pay more towards the economy in the form of taxes and greater consumption. Knowingly not preventing an expensive and impactful conditions is selfish, ignorant and thus should have consequences.
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Sep 9, 2021, 8:56 am
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Originally Posted by ATLflyer2017
So will this encourage unvaccinated AA employees to come to work despite being sick because they no longer have sick leave for COVID?
While the vaccinated employees who are supposedly less likely to get COVID still have COVID sick leave?
Seems kind of bass ackwards.
This is my concern, Screw the leave, what regular testing plans do they have in place? If they are going to allow unvaccinated workers, then what are they doing to ensure they are spreading the virus? Where I work we are required to be vaccinated, and if you opt out you have to get tested weekly (at your own expense and outside of work hours) with a monitored test.
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Sep 9, 2021, 9:28 am
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Originally Posted by MiamiAirport Formerly NY George
Then companies like AA should end sick leave for overweight people or smokers because they also will drive up health costs.
The issue here isn't about health care cost, but the possible time lost from work, and infecting other workers and passengers
That said, as I overweight person, I rarely have taken a sick day. Smokers and overweight people do not affect the health of coworkers
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Sep 9, 2021, 10:44 am
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A step in the right direction, but probably too little too late to influence travel over the next few months. Competitors are taking a proactive approach and AA lags far behind.
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Sep 9, 2021, 11:13 am
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Originally Posted by ATLflyer2017
So will this encourage unvaccinated AA employees to come to work despite being sick because they no longer have sick leave for COVID?
While the vaccinated employees who are supposedly less likely to get COVID still have COVID sick leave?
Seems kind of bass ackwards.
I get their thought process to a degree, I think they think if they pull the leave it will motivate employees to go and get vaccinated. However, for the most part people who are not yet vaccinated (but are eligible to be) are not vaccinated because they dont view COVID as a big deal and that they wont get sick (screw others apparently). And', because they dont view COVID as a big deal they, I believe, are the most likely to come to work sick or after being exposed, especially now that there is no extra leave.
I do wonder what happens when and if AA has a breakout event among their unvaccinated employees. If AAs employees reflect the country as a whole, then at least a third of them are not fully vaccinated, which means they are bound to have breakout of the virus sooner rather than later.
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Sep 9, 2021, 10:12 pm
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Originally Posted by Beltway2A
A step in the right direction, but probably too little too late to influence travel over the next few months. Competitors are taking a proactive approach and AA lags far behind.
UA got this right.
After today's White House announcements I'd expect all US-based airlines to announce a vaccine requirement sooner vs later. It's good business sense.
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Sep 10, 2021, 1:38 pm
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Originally Posted by mvoight
The issue here isn't about health care cost, but the possible time lost from work, and infecting other workers and passengers
That said, as I overweight person, I rarely have taken a sick day. Smokers and overweight people do not affect the health of coworkers
COVID is everywhere. The difference is that I take care of myself and have enough self control and respect not to go through life morbidly obese. If I get COVID, and given I rarely wear a mask I'm sure I've had the opportunity to do so (as it has been for all the people I know that were "diagnosed") I don't have to worry about hospitalization or dying. I haven't worried about COVID for a nanosecond-no more than I would worry about being struck by lightening.
You are responsible for your health not others. It's a free country-be overweight as much you want to be and smoke like a chimney. Just don't expect others to be worried about your bad health outcomes, including what happens to you if you are infected with just not COVID but any virus.
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Sep 10, 2021, 3:04 pm
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Originally Posted by MiamiAirport Formerly NY George
You are responsible for your health not others.
By not getting vaccinated, wearing a mask and/or social distancing, you may "deprive his [your] neighbors of their own liberty — in this case by allowing the spread of disease.” -the Supreme Court, 1905.
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Sep 10, 2021, 5:13 pm
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Originally Posted by MiamiAirport Formerly NY George
I haven't worried about COVID for a nanosecond-no more than I would worry about being struck by lightening
You might want to rethink about comparing covid with death by lightning strikes.
Death by lightning strikes is mere 49 of the American population of 300m on average every year.
Additionally, odds of getting hit by lightning is 1:15000. You ain't that lucky with Covid.
Logically, most people would know someone who died due to covid than someone who died by lightning strike.
https://www.weather.gov/safety/lightning-victims
https://www.weather.gov/safety/lightning-odds
Originally Posted by MiamiAirport Formerly NY George
It's a free country-be overweight as much you want to be and smoke like a chimney. Just don't expect others to be worried about your bad health outcomes, including what happens to you if you are infected with just not COVID but any virus.
Smoking does impact others. That's why there are smoking bans and restrictive smoking area. Duh.
Obesity is not commutable. Covid is. Obesity kills that person. Covid kills you and possibly the person you spread the virus/disease with.
Amazing comparing basic stuffs bud. No wonder covid keep spreading.
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